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Wil Wheaton aka Wesley Crusher on gay marraige - Journal of Omnifarious

Feb. 26th, 2004

08:26 pm - Wil Wheaton aka Wesley Crusher on gay marraige

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Well, Wil Wheaton posted a brief article with his thoughts on the gay marriage issue, particularly as it pertains to the proposed constitutional amendment. It's a very good article.

In other news, I'm still sick, and I'm feeling a little worse. I hope this changes by morning. :-(

Current Mood: [mood icon] sick
Current Music: Nine Inch Nails - Dead Souls

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From:rosencrantz319
Date:February 27th, 2004 04:37 am (UTC)
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From:omnifarious
Date:February 27th, 2004 08:35 am (UTC)

Re: In other news, I'm still sick,

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Yes, rosencrantz319. *grin*

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From:dddragonlady
Date:February 27th, 2004 06:40 am (UTC)
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i'm sorry you're not feeling well. try and take care of yourself.
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From:omnifarious
Date:February 27th, 2004 08:45 am (UTC)
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*smile* Thanks. *hug*

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From:maatnofret
Date:February 27th, 2004 11:55 am (UTC)
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From:omnifarious
Date:February 27th, 2004 12:51 pm (UTC)

Interesting excerpts from OSC

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Men, after all, know what men like far better than women do; women know how women think and feel far better than men do. But a man and a woman come together as strangers and their natural impulses remain at odds throughout their lives, requiring constant compromise, suppression of natural desires, and an unending effort to learn how to get through the intersexual swamp.

He must never have had any homosexual friends who discussed their relationships with him. If Derek, eonen, and Sarah are any judge, those relationships are just as fraught with conflict, negotiation and comprimise as any heterosexual relationship.

As for the rest of his article, it seems to be very cogent and thoughtfully written. He thinks carefully about social forces and their overall effect on society at large. But, to me, he fails to draw a convincing line connecting homosexual marriage to the problems he talks about.

Now huge numbers of Americans know that the schools are places where their children are indoctrinated in anti-family values. Trust is not just going -- for them it's gone.

And, in this, he's also partially correct. This is a huge frustration for me. All sides of various social arguments see schools as the battleground for their argument. Some people want tolerance and diversity taught in schools. Some want Judeo (sp?) Christian family values taught in schools. Some want Creationism. Some want evolution. Etc.... etc... All this battling does the students no good at all.

I want a way for the various social groups to have their own schools. As long as we have a legal system in which different cultural groups are expected to be able to interact, we need to be able to let them have their own separate spaces so they can remain cohesive groups. If we do not do that, we are lying about our society in which different cultural groups are accepted.

This is the biggest reason I support various systems that enable parents to have more choice in which schools their kids go to. Education of children into the values of your culture is something that must not be interfered with if our overall value of tolerance for different ways of living is to preserved.

How long would the Amish survive if all their children were forced to go to standard public schools?

Once this is regarded as settled law, anyone who tries to teach children to aspire to create a child-centered family with a father and a mother will be labeled as a bigot and accused of hate speech.

I think he's being alarmist here, but it is a danger. I can see it happening. I can't see churches being sued over stating that they won't sanctify marriages between same-sex couples, that would be a gross and obvious violation of the first ammendment. But I can see a lot of social pressure being applied inappropriately.

Most kids won't be swayed, because the message of the hormones is clear for them. But for those parents who have kids who hover in confusion, their lives complicated by painful experiences, conflicting desires, and many fears, the P.C. elite will now demand that the full machinery of the state be employed to draw them away from the cycle of life.

This is interesting, but I think also not broad sighted enough. There is evidence to indicate that mammals turn their sex-drives to homosexuality when overpopulation conditions exist. I suspect there is a social bonding aspect to sex in mammals and that this makes it very useful even without the reproductive aspect. And that is precisely what marriage is about.


His main point is that it's a grand social experiment, and somewhat unprecedented. (Though, in actuality, not completely. But I don't have the hard facts to fully back that up here.) He's right of course, it is.

I should probably turn this into a top-level post. OSC is a hugely more competent oponent than any of the right-wing fundies. He has imagination and intelligence, and he speaks in a language that indicates he's truly interested in what's best for society rather than what fits his preconceptions.

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