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Apr. 17th, 2005

11:50 pm - Copied from a friend

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Because this is a good thing, and needed to be shared more.

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From:mle292
Date:April 18th, 2005 05:07 am (UTC)

Faith

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Go ahead and delete this if you think it's going to be offensive to your friends. I thought about putting it in my own journal, but it is really a reply to that post.

I have a real problem with stuff like that because it doesn't matter. Whether or not Jesus - or any other theological figure would support gay marriage DOESN'T MATTER. The reason to support people's rights to determine their own relationships is right whether or not any religion supports it - even if all of the religions are against it. Determining relationships (or any issues of right and wrong) based on "faith" leaves open the option of occasionally doing the wrong thing just because there's some citable reference.

"Faith" is the abdication of responsibility to question authority and to seek real answers to real problems. It doesn't matter what "god" wants us to do, it matters how our decisions impact other real flesh and blood people.
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From:omnifarious
Date:April 18th, 2005 09:32 am (UTC)

Re: Faith

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Oh, I agree wholeheartedly. The problem is, I'm not in the majority.

Many people try to use their faith as a justification of their prejudices, and this article calls them all on it in language that no christian can easily dismiss. Since christianity is a majority religion in the US, disseminating this is a good way to slap a lot of people in the face and possibly get them to think.

Less cynically, I don't think faith has to mean that. And I don't think it means that for the person who wrote this.

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From:mle292
Date:April 18th, 2005 10:32 am (UTC)

Re: Faith

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Except why does it matter if good or bad behaviour is justified without reason?

I don't want the approval of anyone's psychosis when I have relationships, in fact, I think I would be more offended by the approval of someone else's deity than I would be by honestly reasoned disapproval.

Some theists are bigoted scum, they would be that way with or without their deity. Some theists are genuinely good, respectful people - why do they need to hide their true compassion and decency behind an imaginary friend?

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From:omnifarious
Date:April 18th, 2005 11:11 am (UTC)

Re: Faith

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I don't really care what their justification is for their opinion, just the opinion itself, as long as holding a particular opinion is not compelled by the state.

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From:mle292
Date:April 18th, 2005 10:37 am (UTC)

Re: Faith

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The problem is, I'm not in the majority.

Just because you're not in the majority, it shouldn't be assumed that your opinions are wrong or unworthy of consideration.

Tolerating majority opinions that aren't immediately destructive just to placate their bigoted familiars doesn't solve any problems. Quite the opposite, I think it encourages the "majority" to feel as if they deserve to squelch dissenting opinions.
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From:omnifarious
Date:April 18th, 2005 11:08 am (UTC)

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I think beating gay people into bloody pulps is a worse evil than blind faith and obedience to texts written thousands of years ago by middle eastern sheep herders.

And I don't think there's anything in that text that allows the majority to assume that squelching dissenting opinions is OK. To me, it's more like speaking the language of the person you're trying to convince. Unless you just want to kill your opponent, it's important to try to negotiate with them in a language they understand and will not dismiss out-of-hand.

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