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Jun. 30th, 2007

04:17 pm - Insulting God

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Speaking from the point of view of the hypothetical Christian I'm not....

It seems to me that one of the biggest insults to God is to refuse to see what God shows us when we use the senses and reason God gave us. When we rely on our interpretations of words in texts written by other (even divinely inspired) people to the exclusion of what our God given senses and God given reason tell us, it seems to me that we are engaging in the height of arrogance to assume that a book that was written by some divinely inspired person is more correct. We are placing the words and ideas of people above God.

So truly, fundamentalists who would have us believe the Bible to the exclusion of any evidence are even worse heretics than atheists who would deny God's existence and rely on the evidence of their God given senses instead. Because atheists who do this can be at worst considered deluded about the existence of God and the source of their experiences, whereas fundamentalists actively deny God in favor of a book written by divinely inspired humans.

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From:lynnivere
Date:June 30th, 2007 11:28 pm (UTC)
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Of course, I think the word *God* needs some serious rehabilitation. I don't think of Gad as something *out* there, apart from self. I see this Oneness with the Universe as God within. So While some folks think they are holier than thou and them.. I think we are each perfectly Holy; ie: whole, with God.

So, yes, I am calling you God. *grins*

You may call me a heretic now. I accept.
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From:omnifarious
Date:June 30th, 2007 11:35 pm (UTC)
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Well, I would happen to agree with you there. :-)

But, the hypothetical Christian I'm not wouldn't agree. It's a core part of Christianity that God is out there and perfect and we're not.

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From:lynnivere
Date:June 30th, 2007 11:40 pm (UTC)
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I see. Yes. That's a very sad belief system about God that does very little to build up hope, self confidence & trust.. not to mention faith.
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From:spazzychic
Date:June 30th, 2007 11:46 pm (UTC)
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Well said.
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From:omnifarious
Date:July 1st, 2007 03:26 pm (UTC)
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Thanks! :-)

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From:hattifattener
Date:July 1st, 2007 01:22 am (UTC)
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Hey, you're trying to use reason to understand religious extremists. I think that's your problem right there.

There are plenty of Christians who'd agree with you, btw, about the whole senses vs. prophets thing. St. Augustine comes to mind — well, I don't know if he'd agree with you, but I think he would have some of the same objections you have, among others — and then there's that whole Protestantism thing.
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From:omnifarious
Date:July 1st, 2007 06:21 am (UTC)
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I'm not trying to understand them. I'm trying to provide another thread of reasoning that someone might use to escape fundamentalism. People spend a lot of time maligning and complaining about fundamentalists, but none of that is ever going to enlighten any of them. Strong arguments based in their own worldview I think stand a better chance.

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From:dakasteve
Date:July 1st, 2007 03:15 am (UTC)
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"The tao which can be spoken is not the true tao." Religious truth is fundamentally ineffable; words can at best point to it, not reveal it.
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From:dakasteve
Date:July 1st, 2007 03:15 am (UTC)
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(Which is why Jesus was so fond of metaphor...)
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From:xerhino
Date:July 2nd, 2007 02:37 am (UTC)
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Ah, but reason and knowledge are a means and an end. You recall what happened when we took a bite out of that apple in the garden of Eden? Obviously the bite represents the use of reason just as the apple symbolizes knowledge. Knowledge == sin, so using reason == __? Probably it's a total theological faux pas. In fact, just elucidating this metaphor has damned me to hell. Again.

Also: I agree with you, but the person who asked why you brought reason to a godfight has a point too. (ok, that "knife to a gunfight" joke reference was kind of a stretch, but I had to try it.)
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From:memegarden
Date:July 3rd, 2007 04:52 am (UTC)
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People wrote the Bible...God wrote the rocks.
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